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Monday, December 14, 2009

If I break your window do I need to pay?

At first glance the answer is of course, I damaged you and therefore I have to pay. However, R' Sternbuch and others point out that it is not so simple.

The Gemara in Bava Kama (48b) learns out from a pasuk that if my animal eats fruits that are growing in your field I don't pay for the actual fruits that were eaten, rather I pay for the devaluation of the field. Lets take a simple example. You have a field that is worth $1000 which has orange trees. My animal comes and eats 50 oranges and each orange is worth $1. The damage I caused you is $50, however, I don't pay you $50. Instead, I pay how much the field is devalued by the fact that my animal ate 50 oranges. Lets say that the field was originally worth $1000 including all of the oranges and now that my animal ate 50, the field is only worth $990. Since the value of the field has only gone down $10 all Ii have to pay is $10 (not $50). The Gemara says that the same din applies if I do the damage myself (I eat the oranges or I uproot the tree).

Based on this it is quote din the name of R' Chaim, the Chafetz Chaim and others, that the same din should apply if I break the window of your house. I don't pay for the damage I caused, rather, I need to pay the amount that your house has been devalued. The fact is that price for a house that has 1 broken window is the same as the price of the house with no broken windows. If I am asking for $300,000 for my house, the extra $50-100 for a broken window is simply not taken into account. The buyer is not going to change his offer to $299,900 because there is now a broken window. Therefore, the person who broke the window doesn't need to pay me anything because there is no damage the way the Gemara says to figure it, the value of the house is still $300,000.

The Chazon Ish (Bava Kama siman 6 sif 3) argues and says that you have to pay the replacement value. The Chazon Ish says that a house is more similar to מטלטלים. Everyone agrees that if instead of breaking the window of my house you broke my car window, you would have to pay for the damage. Damage to non-property is figured based on the actual damage and therefore if it costs $50 to replace the window that is what you owe me. The Chazon Ish thinks that the same din would apply to a house window and you would need to pay for the actual damage.

הלכה למעשה you have a machlokes haposkim. R' Sternbuch paskens like R' Chaim etc. that the damager doesn't have to pay and others pasken like the Chazon ish, it depends on the Beis Din.

I have to say this machlokes really surprised me in a number of ways. First of all, none of the Rishonim or early Acharonim discuss this question. It is only in the last 100 years that this question is being discussed. Second of all, the Gemara in Bava Kama says that we don't want to be hard or easy on the מזיק. In this situation it seems we are being way too lenient on the מזיק by allowing him to get off scot free. Intuitively, the Chazon Ish's approach seems right, why should the guy get off scot free, yet the Chazon Ish is against the simple reading of the Gemara.


At 9:45 AM, Blogger no one said...

I have a whole essay on this subject based on the Gemara in Bava Metzia (circa daf 101b). The Tosfot there makes perfect sense but it takes a certain amount of work to explain him. The Rashi is the real problem there and this was about two years ago. Then recently I noticed Reb Moshe also saw the problem with Rashi. But the
gemara is pretty clear about the situation of an animal eating some produce in a field that it is not so simple just to look at the price of the produce since it has been eaten and prices fluctuate etc. (The Gemara knows that but to look at the devaluation of the whole field is ridiculous so the gemara comes up with compromise which is one seah in 60). Then tosfot explains it is a way which perfectly sensible.--

At 10:12 AM, Blogger no one said...

I might mention that the gemara is very clear that you don't look at the whole field, but only a 1/60 amount. Furthermore that is only a field in which case you don't know how much the animal ate and even if you did there is no established market price. And brining in evaluators is an option for other things like houses or prices of field. It seems to me a window is different.

At 1:45 PM, Blogger Juggling Frogs said...

Perhaps there is a difference between property that must be repaired to prevent further damage (broken windows) vs. property that is damaged or degraded, but whose damage is limited to the currently degraded state (eaten oranges, perhaps a dented fender?).

In the former case, the owner must come up with the funds to make the repair at current replacement rates in order to prevent further loss.

But, in the latter case, the choice to live with the less-wonderful state of things or sell the damaged goods exists in a closed/static situation, stable to the moment that the damage occured.

At 3:28 PM, Blogger Larry Lennhoff said...

I would disagree with the premise that the value of the house is unaffected by the broken window. When I was selling a house, my realtor was insistent that the price was strongly affected by appearances. Not only would they have insisted I fix the window, in many cases they have recommended re-arranging the furniture, or even painting the walls in order to make the house seem lighter or more spacious and thus increase the price.

It is possible that if you asked a realtor, the affect on the price of the house of an unfixed broken window would be many times replacement value, and thus the kula of the chazon ish would become a chumra.


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