Saturday, March 01, 2008

Can anyone honestly say the disengagement was a success?

Remember 3 years ago all those leftists talking about how disengagement was a great thing and it would bring peace etc. There were quite a number of supporters in the J-Blog world.

2.5 years after the disengagement I challenge any disengagement supporter to honestly say that the disengagement was a good thing given the events since then. As predicted it is has completely blow up in our face. Now it is not only Sderot but Ashkelon is being hit by missiles. Does anyone have the courage to say I was wrong and lives are being lost because of the disengagement?

What about Mr. Disengagement, Olmert? Will he have the courage to say that it was a big mistake? What about the rest of his buddies in the government? Only in Israel, can something like the disengagement blow up in our faces and one of the architects continue as Prime Minister unmoved.

This post The current situation in Israel from a year and a half ago is still very relevant.


Jameel @ The Muqata said...

Ashdod's getting hit by rockets now as well, but the censor is keeping a lid on it.

Lion of Zion said...

" Can anyone honestly say the disengagement was a success?"

sure. there are 2 types of leftists. one camp favors withdrawing for the sake of peace, security, etc. these people were of course wrong.

the other camp argues on the basis of human rights and the right for palestinian self-determination. they think should israel should withdraw regardless of any other factors. israel's current predicament does not mean the withdrawal was in retrospect wrong.

bluke said...

In other words, they are willing to commit suicide to ensure that the Palestinians have a state.

Last I checked, democracy didn't include the requirement to commit suicide.

Commenter Abbi said...

One thing that was good about the DE was getting Jews out of Gaza. It would have been a much greater disaster civilian wise to have Jews smack in the middle of all that- and in a place ruled by Hamas? It would have been a massacre.

I don't think the army should have been pulled out, but I definitely think the civillians had to go.
I'm by no means a leftist. Just your average apathetic pragmatist Israeli.

Jameel @ The Muqata said...

Abbi: Ask any Jewish refugee from Gaza whether they would have rather stayed in Gaza or be evicted, their livelihoods taken away, their homes destroyed communities shattered?

Commenter Abbi said...

Jameel: Ask any soldier whether he'd rather be fighting hand to hand combat defending Jewish civilians in Gaza or bombing Gaza from the air?

I'd bet most soldiers would choose the second.

Ari Shapiro said...


The problem is that the Supreme Court etc. won't let us really bomb Gaza from the air. Secondly, air power alone cannot win a war, you need soldiers on the ground as we painfully found out in Lebanon.

Lion of Zion said...


"In other words . . ."

you're preaching to the choir. i'm justing stating what some israelis believe


"air power alone cannot win a war"

of course it can, especially in a small area as the gaza strip. the particular tactic is known as carpet bombing.

Mighty Garnel Ironheart said...

The IDF will never carpet bomb 'Aza. Even if it does, don't forget that Hamas doesn't care about its civilians. The more casaulties, the better. The Egyptians would seal the border as well to ensure maximum carnage while the Hamas leadership would go underground. And then, when the bombing ends, they'd come back up and start shooting rockets again.

Mighty Garnel Ironheart said...

Plus the disengagement was a success. We've completely forgotten than Ariel Sharon was about to be accused of massive corruption charges right around that particular time.