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Sunday, May 21, 2006

Split between UTJ and Aguda

UTJ wants to join the coalition and accept the 500 shekel a month increase for families with 4+ kids. Aguda disagrees and wants everything restored, otherwise they won't join. Why is there this split? One theory is that the Chassidic Rebbes like the Gerer Rebbe have Chasidim coming to them all the time (every day) and fully understand the dire financial straits their Chasidim are in. They are close to their Chasidim and therefore understand what they are going through. On the other hand, R' Elyashiv and the other Roshei Yeshiva don't really meet with the average Kollel guy and therefore don't feel his pain. People don;t cvome to R' Elyashiv and complain that they can't pay their bills. Therefore, their opinion is a more theoretical one while the Rebbes are responding to their Chasidim.


At 1:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im surprised at you Bluke. You told me you went to see RAYLS in his house. Surely you must have seen the people coming to him. I dont know if you were there Mincha where about 50+ people cram into his litte Dira daily, or his talmidim throughout the day, or the throngs of people throughout the night untill 2am (so Ive been told)

I agree that RYSE doenst have the crowd of visitors all day that RAYLS does. But you cant deny that some Litvishe roshei yeshiva have people who dont have money in their "crowd"

I assumed it was a simple machlokes: One side thinks they can get more by holding out; the other side feels that if they hold out, they will lose even the 500 shekel.

At 2:40 AM, Anonymous daaty said...

important point abour R.Elyashiv.In general he is in his ivory tower.

At 2:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sounds like bias to me. This is a strategic difference.

At 2:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's possible that eg the Gerrer don't view the State as quite as hostile as the other charedim do, because they are more willing in general to compromise with them (eg on army).

Some of the others simply think the state is out to get them.

A more realistic understanding of the State budget could explain why some favor compromise and others hold out. This theory would have the difference as having little to do with understanding one's own constituency and only with different understanding of the intentions of the state.

At 6:35 PM, Blogger bluke said...

I know that RALS sees people all day, but it is different then a Rebbe. I don't think people come and complain to him that they don't have money or have money problems, they do complain to their Rebbe. R' Elyashiv on the other hand hardly sees anyone.

At 6:36 PM, Blogger bluke said...

Everyone here maybe right. I just offered one theory about the difference. The other fcators listed here contributed as well too.

At 10:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HaModia ran an editorial about how UTJ would never compromise national interests for narrow interests of its community, and would never join a government which puts displacing settlers and giving away eretz Yisroel as its priority. What are they going to say when UTJ joins?

At 10:49 PM, Blogger bluke said...

They will say something like this.

When Olmert comes to do the disengagement and people ask UTJ how they can be in the government, or when the voters ask how come the child payments aren't restored, etc., they have an alibi, they didn't create the government, Shas did. They only joined to save what they could after the government existed. Olmert had a government without them anyway so they are not to blame.

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