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Thursday, June 02, 2005

Work vs. Kollel

Hirhurim linked to 2 articles by R. Yitzchak Breitowitz (Torah and Professionalism and Choosing a Profession: Torah Considerations) which compare the good and bad points of learning in kollel vs working. It is definately worth reading.

He left out some important negatives of kollel.

1. The wife has to work full time to support the husband, meaning she has to go out in the world, not kol kevuda bas melech pnima. In addition, the children end up being brought up by the babysitter.
2. It places a tremendous burden on the parents, the parents need to support the young couple while he is sitting and learning.

12 Comments:

At 6:15 PM, Blogger anonymous said...

well one and two don't necessarily go hand in hand.

i agree with you overall. but there are always individual circumstances, women who luck out with careers where they can be home part of the day, etc. (It helps to have education behind you when you marry, which is difficult with the push to marry at a young age. And of course it helps to have a degree, which is also sometimes discouraged. Still.)

 
At 6:19 PM, Blogger bluke said...

You can't make a system based on people who luck out.

It costs a lot of money to raise a family and many wives don't get paid that well so the parents need to help out.

 
At 7:28 PM, Blogger anonymous said...

There are not enough such jobs for a system, I agree.

Also, people are getting married that much younger. It's hard for the girl to get training before she's married; she's often stuck with an office job.

 
At 10:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, there's plenty of places to work that don't require one to "sacrifice" the things mentioned in Gil's post.

Greg
http://presence.baltiblogs.com/

 
At 11:35 PM, Blogger bluke said...

Here is an interesting article about Charedi women working For What Careers Should Jewish Girls Study?

...the problems created by non-kosher places of employment, they also destroy the building of a house of Torah. Some women think that they should continue working so their husbands can continue studying, and although they themselves decline in ruchniyus their husbands will grow in their Torah studies. Besides this being "sinning to help another person have a zchus" and "a mitzvah caused by an aveiroh" they will not attain their goal in life. They are contradicting themselves, as HaRav Svei explained. Anyone who thinks about this matter will understand it clearly and will not use these means to construct homes of Torah.

The author makes a good point but instead fo carrying it to it's logical conclusion which is that the husbands should work and support their wives and the wives should stay hiome and build their house and raise the children, he suggests some half baked solution which won't work.

 
At 11:41 PM, Blogger anonymous said...

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At 11:43 PM, Blogger anonymous said...

yes, but he's quoting rabbi svei, who said this like twenty five years ago. rabbi svei's position is that all women should be beis yaakov teachers (i kid you not), not computer programmers (that was the competing profession back then). No one has paid this any mind for at least fifteen, twenty years (for the obvious reasons).

 
At 12:23 AM, Blogger anonymous said...

"but instead fo carrying it to it's logical conclusion which is that the husbands should work and support their wives and the wives should stay hiome and build their house and raise the children,"

why is that the logical conclusion? the woman can't be exposed to alien influences, just the man can?if the husband is learning, there's a disparity in frumkeit, but if the husband is working, there's none?

i agree with you that overall, it's better for mothers not to be working full time, but dont see how that follows from the concerns in this article.

 
At 6:36 AM, Anonymous daat y said...

R.Svei wants to have it both ways.
Well isn't he daas torah.

 
At 2:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's wrong with the wife working? It demonstrates our position on EQUALITY!! Lest the nay sayers claim that we oppress our women by not letting them work , we can point to Shomie Chaim who is in kollel learning and his wife, Sarah Leah is working!

 
At 9:45 AM, Blogger bluke said...

The Torah doesn't believe in equality. Different people have different roles. A Cohne has a differetn role then a Yisrael and a man has a different role then a woman.

 

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