tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post8383506249055808492..comments2023-11-02T12:16:19.495+02:00Comments on The Jewish Worker: Charedi Yeshivas are again running away from the missiles in the South, what about the protection of Torah learning?blukehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-44617389531867400082014-07-17T17:59:02.074+03:002014-07-17T17:59:02.074+03:00Daniel, the other issue which makes this whole thi...Daniel, the other issue which makes this whole thing a bit difficult, is that there are certain, shall we say, notable rabbis who claim that places like B'nei Brak and Kiryat Sefer are "protected". This puts the lie to the idea that these rabbis at least, don't believe that the "protection" is location specific.Michael Lipkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11501487897038161582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-29809707529743099832014-07-17T17:30:31.548+03:002014-07-17T17:30:31.548+03:00I'm not there to asses the level of danger but...I'm not there to asses the level of danger but either they feel it is dangerous enough in which case normal hishtadlus kicks in (as I explained above) OR it's possibly not so dangerous but about being able to learn without having to be panicked and interrupted 10 times a day.<br /><br />You could argue that they should stay to commiserate with the local residents but if any of those residents had practical means of moving up north- they would too. For most it's simply not practical- for these Yeshivas it was. Was is this hypocritical if they continue to learn up-north?DanielHochmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09705683369376538266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-60234050340170588612014-07-17T17:23:21.686+03:002014-07-17T17:23:21.686+03:00Daniel I didn't say "no danger", but...Daniel I didn't say "no danger", but given the success of our defense system there is no imminent threat either, like that of a "terrorist entering the Yeshiva". So you need to answer why, given the relatively low threat level, these Yeshivas turned tail and ran.<br /><br />And if c"v this war continues into ben hazmanim we sure as heck better not see any bochrim vacationing.Michael Lipkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11501487897038161582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-89969426331474649112014-07-17T17:03:19.381+03:002014-07-17T17:03:19.381+03:00After reading the article from Mishpacha that you ...After reading the article from Mishpacha that you posted above it's clear they are all continuing to learn elsewhere. <br /><br />DanielHochmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09705683369376538266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-52800657179852696392014-07-17T17:00:13.134+03:002014-07-17T17:00:13.134+03:00Bluke- I assume that the Yeshiva did not adjourn f...Bluke- I assume that the Yeshiva did not adjourn for the zman and that they are simply learning elsewhere. If that's the case then they are continuing to protect. In addition, they can do their job better if they are not interrupting their learning 10 times a day running to shelters.<br /><br />Menachem- If there is no danger- why did they bother leaving? For fun? <br /><br />If they did indeed cancel the rest of zman then you are both absolutely correct, but no Gadol would sanction that. Gedolim also don't sanction Bein Hazmanim "fun trips" while war is going on, but I'm sure the charedi-hating blogs will enjoy posting such reports if the war extends beyond Tisha B'Av. Hopefully it will not.DanielHochmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09705683369376538266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-56121447567620625612014-07-17T16:23:57.823+03:002014-07-17T16:23:57.823+03:00My understanding is that they claim that their Tor...My understanding is that they claim that <b>their</b> Torah learning is protecting everyone therefore everyone is pretty much obligated to support them financially (at least through the govt. and taxes that are paid and channeled to them). If the government reduces the money they consider they are *entitled* to receive then they call the govt Amoleik etc. and say they hate Torah and want to destroy them etc. etc.Binyominhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17321934917932264810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-7272751831178970662014-07-17T16:19:58.945+03:002014-07-17T16:19:58.945+03:00But the Charedi world claims that Yeshiva boys are...But the Charedi world claims that Yeshiva boys are soldiers engaged in מלחמתו של תורה and that תורה מגנא ומצלי. That is the whole basis for draft exemptions. If that is the case then the yeshivas need to stay where they are to continue the war just like soldiers do.blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-69357765298548837262014-07-17T16:17:22.060+03:002014-07-17T16:17:22.060+03:00I'm sorry but your premise is ludicrous. Let m...I'm sorry but your premise is ludicrous. Let me ask you a question:<br />If a terrorist comes into a Yeshiva CHV"S should the boys just sit there like sitting ducks so that they can be consistent with their belief that "Torah Learning Protects"? There is something called hishtadlus and we need to take necessary precautions to save lives.<br /><br />No one claims that we don't need an army and that Torah learning alone can protect- we obviously need both- Learning and normal hishtadlus.DanielHochmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09705683369376538266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-84580328971073833102014-07-17T16:15:52.824+03:002014-07-17T16:15:52.824+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.DanielHochmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09705683369376538266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-5277212731466390242014-07-15T03:34:07.130+03:002014-07-15T03:34:07.130+03:00If your not joking, then I have to stop rolling on...If your not joking, then I have to stop rolling on the floor....Binyominhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17321934917932264810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-4202449414299250512014-07-14T16:08:22.608+03:002014-07-14T16:08:22.608+03:00Well, we could call it a "tactical retreat&qu...Well, we could call it a "tactical retreat", designed to lure the enemy into the open; or, that their movement is a "diversion", to draw the enemy's attention away from the real thrust of Tzahal's ground attack. Or not.JBHorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07403369078267809626noreply@blogger.com