tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post6138554668593801614..comments2023-11-02T12:16:19.495+02:00Comments on The Jewish Worker: New Square: Total Conformity, is this what Judaism is about?blukehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-71521285135414165452014-04-26T21:50:24.353+03:002014-04-26T21:50:24.353+03:00The tone of the article was very positive. It was ...The tone of the article was very positive. It was part of a supplement where they detailed their Shabbos experience at various places.blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-85865623187456369502014-04-25T17:35:28.670+03:002014-04-25T17:35:28.670+03:00What was the tone of the article? Was it "Bo...What was the tone of the article? Was it "Boy are these guys over the top!" or "Wow, this is what a REAL Jewish community looks like!"?Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-76002638991284492432014-04-25T09:24:32.318+03:002014-04-25T09:24:32.318+03:00Shmuel,
The writer was a reported he talked to ma...Shmuel,<br /><br />The writer was a reported he talked to many people and they all told him that everyone eats the same food.<br /><br />Regarding the simchas, the article states "whoever is looking for individual simchas should look elsewhere". blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-17235120112696973382014-04-25T07:33:28.507+03:002014-04-25T07:33:28.507+03:00I'm supposed to believe this article? It's...I'm supposed to believe this article? It's nonsense.<br /><br />I do realize that it's a community that values conformity - perhaps too much, and tries to enforce it - perhaps too much, as well.<br /><br />But the claims here simply don't pass the smell test. The claim about bakeries is simply not true. And the claim that everyone without exception eats the same exact menu is hyperbole at it's finest. How in heaven's name would the author even begin to check that out? <br /><br />As for the "no separate simchas", either the author is an idiot, or you are totally misunderstanding what was written. Keeping the candy throwing to one time period, instead of turning the whole kriah into a circus, and sticking to one kidush in shul has nothing to do with whether there are separate simchas. It's about keeping the shul functioning. Or are you claiming that this is proof that all bar mitzvah boys have ONE joint party each week, and all weddings are done en mass with a group chupa and the meal in one hall?<br /><br />I have no idea about the other items, and some of them are probably partly true. But it's hard to give much credence to an article that's sooo poorly done. On the other hand, it's not surprising, coming from the Hebrew Mishpacha.Shmuel Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05533581830784402325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-17986003143779037272014-04-25T04:31:29.410+03:002014-04-25T04:31:29.410+03:00It's not cult "like." If the post is...It's not cult "like." If the post is a valid description of life in New Square, then New Square is a cult. <br /><br />It has all the markers: A Great Leader, focus on conformity, unusually large blocks of time devoted to cult activities, no individuality (mass simchas), and a steady flow of large amounts of money from the cult members to the leadership. The only thing it doesn't have is active recruitment, which given typical Chassidishe birthrates, probably isn't necessary.G*3https://www.blogger.com/profile/06104739087560005056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-25838425938167542902014-04-24T23:07:17.882+03:002014-04-24T23:07:17.882+03:00Cult or not shouldn't ever be a real issue; th...Cult or not shouldn't ever be a real issue; the real question is if it is a dangerous cult.<br />פלוני אלמוניhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17340706604170163796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-8673968054607313032014-04-24T18:16:45.354+03:002014-04-24T18:16:45.354+03:00Avi - about zman tefilla, they are certainly not t...Avi - about zman tefilla, they are certainly not the only Chassidim to do that - even the Sfas Emes, who was a universally-acknowledged gadol, davened after the zman.<br />There are various halachic defenses of the practice.dlzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08269900740743979382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-39466574409481314302014-04-24T18:15:44.443+03:002014-04-24T18:15:44.443+03:00I realize it is a quote from Mishpacha - I wasn...I realize it is a quote from Mishpacha - I wasn't criticizing you, just pointing out the alleged inaccuracy of the facts.dlzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08269900740743979382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-42986327980781189782014-04-24T17:57:16.803+03:002014-04-24T17:57:16.803+03:00DLZ, I am only reporting what was written in Mishp...DLZ, I am only reporting what was written in Mishpacha. <br /><br />Garnel, yes you can find merit in some of the things (specifically no competition) but taken as a whole I stand by what I wrote that it is "cult" like.blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-90420379289014679182014-04-24T17:36:08.223+03:002014-04-24T17:36:08.223+03:00Some of the allegations are actually not bad. The...Some of the allegations are actually not bad. The idea of merging simchas, for example, does away with the "Keeping up with the Goldsteins" mentality that drives other Orthodox simcha budgets into orbit.<br />Similarly you could find merit in a specific Shabbos menu which means there's no competition between households to produce lavish dinners that strain family budgets. Besides, it says "chicken" but perhaps they're allowed different chicken recipes.<br />I also doubt there are no prepared foods. If there's gefilte fish then, unless they're catching the carp, skinning it and then pounding it they're using prepared foods. It's also unlikely they don't have a bakery for Shabbos challah and the like.<br />Otherwise yeah, they're pretty creepy.Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-58825694853142502502014-04-24T17:33:17.924+03:002014-04-24T17:33:17.924+03:00I asked a former resident of New Square, and he sa...I asked a former resident of New Square, and he said the facts in this article are grossly inaccurate.dlzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08269900740743979382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-87172987011281269632014-04-24T16:53:07.888+03:002014-04-24T16:53:07.888+03:00I do believe Skver is a cult but this reporting is...I do believe Skver is a cult but this reporting is grossly inaccurate.<br /><br />There is a very well known & popular bakery in New Square called Taam Eden that exports all over the greater Monsey area. There are supermarkets outside New Square who Taam Eden is their only source for baked goods.<br /><br />I suspect there are also take out food sections inside New Square supermarkets but even if not, right outside New Square is Hatzlacha Supermarket with very large take out concessions inside.adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16184909103561925459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-54008262972174097832014-04-24T16:22:24.217+03:002014-04-24T16:22:24.217+03:00#3 doesn't sound like a bad idea.#3 doesn't sound like a bad idea.dlzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08269900740743979382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-83426407549301870382014-04-24T12:56:46.651+03:002014-04-24T12:56:46.651+03:00According to what the writer says the violence tha...According to what the writer says the violence that has happened in New Square over the past few years regarding those who wished to make a new minyan is the Rebbi's full responsibility!Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07819028691939317526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-37636783119837982432014-04-24T12:03:23.340+03:002014-04-24T12:03:23.340+03:00So they completely ignore the Shulchan Aruch (and ...So they completely ignore the Shulchan Aruch (and Talmud) when it comes to Zmanei Tefilah?<br /><br />Color me not surprised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com