tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post2443675891623373520..comments2023-11-02T12:16:19.495+02:00Comments on The Jewish Worker: 3064 shekel - This is how much the average Charedi family will lose under the new governmentblukehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-82076065877488329302013-04-04T16:35:06.145+03:002013-04-04T16:35:06.145+03:00amyrpk,
Sorry to disappoint you but your husband ...amyrpk,<br /><br />Sorry to disappoint you but your husband couldn't find a job for a simple reason - Age - there is a lot of age discrimination (in Israel as well as the US)<br /><br />Your specific situation has little or nothing to do with the current situation with the Charedim. If your husband had made aliya at the age of 30 with a PhD I don't think he would have had such a hard time finding a job (depending of course what his PhD is in).blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-79758400316243610062013-03-13T12:43:58.110+02:002013-03-13T12:43:58.110+02:00The obsession with skilled/unskilled cracks me up....The obsession with skilled/unskilled cracks me up. Looking at my husband: He came here with a PhD and decades of experience both in the lab and as a teacher at both college and high school levels. But because he made aliyah in his 50s, he has gone begging for work. He gets occasional day work in the local shuk, moving boxes of fruit. <br /><br />When he even went to the Misrad ha'Kninukh to have his teaching licenses accepted and to sign up for the required courses, they turned him down, saying, "When we put some effort into training, we hope to get a few more years back in return than you'll be able to give."<br /><br />Yeah, after he screamed and yelled and threw a full-scale Israeli-style fit, they took him, but by the time it's done, who's going to hire him? Now he's 60.<br /><br />My point is, ranting about this, that, or the other generalization with little soundbites, as this discussion has been doing, is useless. Because the reality of individual people is what we're deaing with. And there are plenty of Chareidim who can work and do work, and there are plenty of nonreligious organizations that also look at the gov't as a cash machine.<br /><br />And no, my husband and I are not Khareidi.amyrpkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973204641467410337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-68617319305785559332013-03-13T12:07:25.560+02:002013-03-13T12:07:25.560+02:00Garnel, I agree with you 100%. I posted about this...Garnel, I agree with you 100%. I posted about this a long time ago (<a href="http://jewishworker.blogspot.co.uk/2005/03/charedi-view-of-government-and-money.html" rel="nofollow">The Charedi view of the government and money</a> that the Charedi world looks at the government as a cash machine.blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-16598178910573272732013-03-13T12:05:00.354+02:002013-03-13T12:05:00.354+02:00Mark,
What is your point? A family of 6 kids will...Mark,<br /><br />What is your point? A family of 6 kids will be very poor if the father has a minimum wage type job. There is a fundamental issue in the Charedi/Orthodox world, large families are not really supported in Western economies. When you add on the lack of education the situation is dire.blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-57512383577298643092013-03-13T06:56:53.068+02:002013-03-13T06:56:53.068+02:00Construction isn't a low-skilled job. But if y...Construction isn't a low-skilled job. But if you have a little mechanical aptitude, you can learn over time.Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13525977869500274123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-12784363673313210922013-03-13T00:33:57.201+02:002013-03-13T00:33:57.201+02:00Yes, even jobs with almost no education or skills ...Yes, even jobs with almost no education or skills can easily earn NIS 3000. Movers earn more than that. Plumbers assistants. Unskilled construction workers. Fruit pickers. Etc.<br /><br />And, no doubt, the next generation will acquire some useful education to allow themselves to move up in the world.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05760733574758883958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-10247513131894618062013-03-12T23:58:37.369+02:002013-03-12T23:58:37.369+02:00>With no secular education and no marketable sk...>With no secular education and no marketable skills how much money can a person really make?<br /><br />I dunno. How much does a guy working construction make? Think about it, all those low-skill jobs currently going to a certain minority could be going to Chareidim. Construction crews are all male and if they're unionized they'll have plenty of breaks for learning and davening.Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-37713014179583711622013-03-12T23:08:16.656+02:002013-03-12T23:08:16.656+02:00I believe it is 850 from the government. In any ca...I believe it is 850 from the government. In any case so what?blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-80221771309569187302013-03-12T22:22:28.336+02:002013-03-12T22:22:28.336+02:00Of the alleged 1800 shekel Kollel stipend, only ab...Of the alleged 1800 shekel Kollel stipend, only about 800 shekel is from the government - the rest is from donations.dlzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08269900740743979382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-90613588994245305962013-03-12T22:13:58.618+02:002013-03-12T22:13:58.618+02:00Really??? With no secular education and no marketa...Really??? With no secular education and no marketable skills how much money can a person really make?blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-42730740035710497892013-03-12T22:02:43.866+02:002013-03-12T22:02:43.866+02:00Luckily an able-bodied man who works can earn more...Luckily an able-bodied man who works can earn more than that. So, overall, once the men start working, their families will be better off B"H.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05760733574758883958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-64955702531800900342013-03-12T19:57:57.553+02:002013-03-12T19:57:57.553+02:00The problem is that one of the foundation stones o...The problem is that one of the foundation stones of Chareidi culture is the manipulation of the State of Israel's coffers to fund the community without incurring any reciprocal obligations. I mean, any Chareidi who thinks well of the State or feels an obligation to be a useful part of it harms his Chareidi status, that's how fundamental it is.<br />So now the State unilaterally decides: no reciprocation means no money. This is like yanking out the largest foundation stone of a tottering house. The whole thing might collapse.Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09571194550300367249noreply@blogger.com