tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post114580506977434766..comments2023-11-02T12:16:19.495+02:00Comments on The Jewish Worker: Why don't we say שהחיינו on the mitzva of ספירת העומר?blukehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-1146056731626106142006-04-26T16:05:00.000+03:002006-04-26T16:05:00.000+03:00Bluke: Re-reading the Griz, I understand why you ...Bluke: Re-reading the Griz, I understand why you would think that "The Brisker Rav is explaining why we don't say shehechayanu, he is not explaining the machlokes amoraim."<BR/><BR/>But you would be wrong.<BR/><BR/>He only states this shita in the name of Ameimar - and for good reason. <BR/><BR/>One can make a very difficult reading of "Amar Zecher Limikdash" as applying to both Abbaye and Ameimar (Rav Zevin actually proposes this in Moadim BiHalacha in explaining the Sefira dioreisa/dirabanan issue) but the compelling and more straight-forward reading is to interpret the phrase "Amar Zecher Limikdash" as limited to Ameimar's explanation of his unique 'days only' shita.<BR/><BR/>And that is exactly what the Griz says. He is NOT stating this in the name of Abbaya, and he is in fact is explaining the mechlokes amorayim, against what you purport. Read again, carefully, especially the first paragraph.<BR/><BR/>And, again, lulav and marar are the specifically wrong cases to compare and contrast.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for sharing this wonderful piece of Torah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-1145980524064118422006-04-25T18:55:00.000+03:002006-04-25T18:55:00.000+03:00In the Chiddusei HaGriz on Menachos 65a.In the Chiddusei HaGriz on Menachos 65a.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-1145978834805379702006-04-25T18:27:00.000+03:002006-04-25T18:27:00.000+03:00where is this brosker rov located?where is this brosker rov located?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-1145912355479504332006-04-24T23:59:00.000+03:002006-04-24T23:59:00.000+03:00I obviously know how the Rambam holds, otherwise I...I obviously know how the Rambam holds, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it. I forgot, though, that the Griz quoted Rashi.<BR/><BR/>I'll re-read it for the other point and get back to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-1145909887922314722006-04-24T23:18:00.000+03:002006-04-24T23:18:00.000+03:00The Brisker Rav is explaining why we don't say she...The Brisker Rav is explaining why we don't say shehechayanu, he is not explaining the machlokes amoraim.<BR/><BR/>He quotes the Rashi in Menachos and uses it as the basis of what he is saying.<BR/><BR/>The Rambam holds that sefira nowadays is d'oraysa.blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11287959.post-1145908033026525442006-04-24T22:47:00.000+03:002006-04-24T22:47:00.000+03:00You are touching a favorite sugya of mine. Here a...You are touching a favorite sugya of mine. Here are five quick notes off the top of my head, then back to my 'day job'(hopefully more later):<BR/><BR/>1. Check out Rashi in Menachos, d.h. Ameimar. When re-reading it, I believe that Rashi is essentially stating what the Griz proposes. Pretty neat, yes?<BR/><BR/>2. I don't have the Griz in front of me, but my recollection is that he is explaining the machlokos Abbaya/Ameimar. It is Ameimar's shita, not Abbaya's, that he explains as being in this category of 'zecher limikdash' -- accordingly, Abbaya, who counts the same as before the churban (and how we count), would seemingly fall into your category number 2.<BR/><BR/>3. The two 'contrasting' examples you chose are unfortunate choices: Maror and Lulav bigvulin kol Shiva are BOTH examples of zecher limikdash halochos, falling squarely into your category 3. [Note that, like Ameimar and sefira, they both 'change' the dioraisa in order to create some 'zecher', whether by carrying the lulav in gevulin when it would be carried in mikdash, or by making marror a classic achila halacha, with a shiur kezayis, as opposed to a taste enhancer].<BR/><BR/>Try again with, say, 100 kolos of shofar.<BR/><BR/>4. Of course, none of this works at all for the Rambam.<BR/><BR/>5. Ever wonder how Ameimar came up with such a bizarre shita of only counting days? [Would anyone suggest taking 2 minim, instead of 4, as a zecher limikdash for lulav?] <BR/><BR/>Compare and contrast the pesukim in Emor and Re'eh - and his makor/motivation should be clear! (if not, post and I'll set it out in another note).<BR/><BR/>I also agree with your tie-in of the Ba'al Hamaor and Tosefos (the oldest 'harachan' source I know for anything!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com